Thursday, January 12, 2012

Why use a TVC?

If the Trade Value Chart is good enough for the NFL, its good enough for dynasty fantasy football, too.  This article on ProFootballTalk.com shows how nearly all teams still use Jimmy Johnson's TVC to a tee. 


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/04/chart-says-chiefs-scored-big-in-trading-for-browns-third-round-pick/

"In 10 of the 18 trades, the difference in value among the picks traded was nine points or less, according to the chart," writes Michael David Smith.


Obviously this isnt the only tool GM's are using or it would be 18 out of 18 trades.  This is evidence of tiers of value that deviate from the TVC. There was as much as a 120 pt difference in one trade, but the bigger the agreed tier is, the bigger the point difference.

An example of the DTVC in negotiations would be something like last year when I traded up for Julio Jones from 1.5 to 1.4. The person I was trading with (@SaleemtheDream) didnt think there was a large dropoff from Julio to Ryan Williams so he took the points the chart prescribed (200). If he valued a dropoff at 100 more points, I may still have done the trade but we will never know. He could've argued for another 200 more points to get value as if Julio was worth 1.3, or another 300 on top of that to get to 1.2. However, if he really valued him that highly, he'd probably just take the pick because he may not get that level of value in return, regardless if a chart said so or not.

At the least, the DTVC just as the TVC, can be used to set the baseline for many trades that may not get done otherwise and in many cases it can simplify and expedite the negotiating process. 

Dynasty Trade Value Chart




I've used this DTVC to make alot of trades including players and not. Hopefully it can provide you with a good starting point for negotiations.

Speicial thanks to @SigmundBloom of FantasyFootballGuys.com (
http://www.footballguys.com/bio_BloomSigmund.phpfor his following feedback:
Hey Colin, thanks for passing this along. I think it has great application and you have the proportionality in the first round right. However, like any pick value chart, its accuracy will fluctuate from year to year depending on depth and quality of the class - for instance, last year 2 and 3 should have been closer to 1, with a huge dropoff after 3, and then another huge dropoff after 5 or 6... but people always want something like this as a starting point, so I commend your work. -sig

Please post your comments and questions. Hopefully this helps you get some trades done! 


Dynasty Trade Value Chart: Background

Jimmy Johnson created the famous Trade Value Chart for NFL GMs to use for trading draft picks. It is a based on the first pick being worth 3,000 points and a exponential decrease in value over 224 picks to a value of 2 to 3 points, depending on the chart edition/source.



In Dynasty, only players at skill positions are available to be drafted so the chart needs to be converted to show the more drastic decrease in value. A good average seems to be about 8 draftable players instead of 32. To encourage trading I start at the second overall pick which is 2,600 pts, instead of 3,000.  Then count off every 4th pick until I obtain all the picks needed for my dynasty rookie draft.

A 4 round 12 member rookie draft chart looks like this:

Notice how the curve is basically the same as the curve in Jimmy Johnnson's version:



We end up seeing a large drop off in talent in the first round, and by the time we get into our 4th round, we are drafting guys that were drafted in the 5-7th rounds in the NFL which makes sense according to the DTVC. As with the real TVC, it works for trades involving picks only. However, the DTVC can still be used with a player involved if both managers can agree on the value of the player relative to that year's draft class, basically pretending if that player were draft eligible. 


There are many applications of this tool, if the league can agree on its validity. I've made this the basis for a compensation system for claiming practice squad players based on draft position if the player claimed was drafted, or based on performance if the player claimed was a FA addition. There may be a connection for the TVC for redraft leagues but I can't see it. Expect more on the applications soon. 

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